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Tabou Rocket 125: tabou-rocket.html 
History of Windsurfing: http://history-of-windsurfing.html
Heavyweights: heavyweights-and-windsurfing.html
Physics of Windsurfing: jim-drakes-windsurf-physics.html  
Fanatic Shark: fanatic-shark.html
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Light Wind Section: light wind section.html
Early Planing: early-planing.html

Getting Started: 
How I started Winter Sailboarding: how-i-started-winter-windsurfing.html
How I Started Shortboarding how-i-started-shortboarding.html
How YOU can start windsurfing: how-you-can-start-windsurfing.html
 
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Sailboards sailboards.htm                          windsurf-board-categories.html
Fins: fins.html  and how to repair them ...
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Sail Materials: sail-materials.html                                 
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Mast Bases: mast-bases.html
BOOM: boom.html                                
Accessories: accessories.html

My Boards and Reviews:
AHD FF 160 liter: how-i-started-shortboarding.html  
AHD SL2 132 liter: http://ahd-sl2-132.html
BIC Dufour Wing: my-bic-dufour-wing-and-how-i-started.html
BIC Techno Formula: bic-techno-formula.html 
Fanatic BEE 124 LTD: fanatic-bee-124-ltd.html
Fanatic Ultra CAT: fanatic-ultra-cat.html
JP SuperLightWind/SLW92: JP SuperLightWind
Mistral Equipe I LCS-XR: mistral-equipe-i-lcs-xr.html
Mistral Competition SST: Mistral COMP SST
Mistral Equipe II / 2: mistral equipe 2 aka MEQ2

HotSailsMaui SpeedFreak 8.5: HSM SPF 8.5.html
MS-2 vs Pursuit: maui-sails-pursuit-vs-ms-2.html 

Health & Safety:
Safety First: safety-first.html
BEE stuff: bees.html

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Windsurfing in Montrealwindsurfing-in-montreal.html
Original Journal Entries: original-journal-entries.html 
New journal entries: new-journal-entries.html
Newer journal entries: 2014/2015 journal entries.html
2016 journal entries: 2016-windsurf-journal.html
2017 journal entries: 2017-windsurf-journal.html

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Sailboard Hydrofoiling

Seems this is the buzz talk in the windsurf world for 2016. 

Some people are calling it "windfoiling", but on a Danish forum they complained that this term is NOT clear enough. Why would kitefoiling NOT be windfoiling ? Can we call it windsurf foiling? Windsurf is a term that ideally refers to surfing using wind. As such, most of us are doing sailboarding. And so ... sailboarding with a foil s/b called what ? Danish forum suggested sailboard hydrofoiling or SBHF 

The first SBHF that I became aware of was the AHD AFS-1 and that was a years ago.


It is somewhat unique with the hole in the nose and the wide tail ...

One thing I found interesting is, the wings of the foil are held on by the plugs at the end, which have a LONG bolt/screw going into the middle.

Why this never caught on , is beyond me...

Another French company called the Horue seemed to get their name out there . My joke is they succeeded due to interspersing bikinis in their videos ...



The hydrofoil that caught my eye was the iFoil:




When I first saw this model, it felt like it made the most sense. Why bother trying to balance the whole apparatus on the single point at the back ?? With a foil in the front, you are more balanced and have more options ... in terms of body placement , etc ...

Of course there are other hydrofoil companies ... ketosfoil, foilever, kerfoils, lokefoil, etc
Most of these are names I have NOT heard before and MANY seem to come out of France !!

Foils still cost about $1000 and companies like AHD & Horue sell boards to go with foils.
Otherwise , it seems a slalom board of about 80 cm width and naturally tuttle fin  box  is suggested.

I will NOT get into the technical details of the foils. It is difficult enough to understand fin concepts. Suffice it to say hydrofoils for sailboards are larger than those for kiters and the bottom looks like an aeroplane.  There are MANY models and some adjustment is available on them - like angle,  etc - depending on the model...

There is buzz about this on almost all the windsurf forums...
Here is some discussion from iwindsurf and a video of some people starting out ...


http://www.iwindsurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31058&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

and naturally there are some on facebook too - here is a smooth jibe:
https://www.facebook.com/windfoilbytaaroa/videos/214614105575127/

What?
You want MORE bikinis ?
Shame on you ...



My joke - this s/b called SOBHF, as in a jealous "look @ that SOB hydrofoiling"

The one that surprised me (and NOT just me) is the video of Kai Lenny (who is now 22 !!) hydrofoiling "downwind" on a SUP and making it look easy. He and Robbie Naish can make anything look easy - AND cool !!



And Exocet is working on a two foil board - NOT released YET ...



There are TWO major concerns with foiling and I am NOT even going to mention price, risk of danger with large knives under water, etc.

Firstly the obvious one is that foils are quite long and as such need deep water to start, maintain and need to be wary of sandbanks in case you are not up in the air ...

The one I kind of forgot about, but have read about is weeds. Is it going to be necessary to develop weed foils ??  At the cost of one of these, there is no way people are going to have two !!

Even for my wide freeride JP SLW92, I have purchased a Lessacher 42 cm fin  in order to see if it is not possible to avoid weeds AND ride with a shorter fin ...

Knew I had once seen pics of the earlier BIG windsurf hydrofoils .. Well, I stumbled upon a video which seems to be narated in Dutch, but seems fairly clear. Notice: NO footstraps ...



and here is a TV discussion or Rich Miller's 1995 hydrofoil:



It seems that over thirty(30) years ago a company HARKEN made foils for windsurfers:



Addendum: Just found out recently that AA / A ² / Antoine Albeau may have been foiling / hydro-foiling on windsurfer boards for the last ten (10) years !! That may be the reason why he won the 2016 PWA foil races !! If the following link still works,, go to about 5:30

http://livestream.com/accounts/9351246/events/6423750/videos/137826595

SBHF looks like it here to stay - even if fins/foils cost OVER $2000 !!
reminder: SBHF = sailboard hydrofoiling ...

more n more videos and discussions coming  out:



Kite foil companies are realising the potential and are building foils for windsurfers now !!



and some are getting REALLY confident !!



After some careful deliberation, I came up with some criteria:

1) deep tuttle and thus NO need for an insert
2) with a base plate so as NOT to stress the fin box
3) alloy in order to save some serious $$$
4) ideally able to change position or angle
5) different lengths and foils available

So far, I have come up with this one:


Looks like even in Montreal we may start to see some windfoils !!



Finally an article with some decent comparing. Vour parlez francais n'est-ce pas ??

https://www.windsurf.boutique/actus/comparatifs-windfoils.html

or try the google translated version ??

https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.windsurf.boutique/actus/comparatifs-windfoils.html&prev=search

and now they have a motorized foil called an e-foil:



As discussed in the comments, on some forums and seems to have been attempted years ago... some people are adding a blade/foil to the fin which is parallel to the base of the board:


Some people are still on the fence - is this a FAD or even too dangerous. Kite boarding is definitely more dangerous than windsurfing and yet it is increasing in popularity. Ironically some beaches have banned kiting in recent years... If people get hurt often enough with foils, will they be banned too ?? Locally in Montreal, more and more kiters are experimenting with foils and a buddy of mine - lost his and it NEVER turned up again. Nice loss of about $3000 and I felt bad when I lost my GoPro ...

Update: September 2017 ...

I am SURE you have all heard about the GREAT North American one and ONLY windsurf magazine called WindSurfing Now ?? Well, guess what the latest issue highlighted ?? You guessed it - Wind Foiling !! It may not be obvious from the cover, but KP/Kevin Pritchard is actually on a foil.


Since he is sponsored by SB/Starboard, I would have expected him to be using a SB foil as well, but he was using an MFC foil. Well, they are on Maui too and so , I imagine it was more accessible and he actually called them for some technical questions, when KP did NOT tighten all the bolts properly !! However, on the back of the magazine, there was a SB foil pictured ... Here is a pic of one from the web  

Okay, there is an article with KP foiling @ Whistler, BC , picture of Tyson Poor jumping a foil, article with Robbie Naish on a foil, images of foils (SB, NP, Slingshot, Naish, MFC and even BIC)  and now foil boards (SB, JP 4 the NP, Slingshot, Naish, Gecko, Techno and Goya + Simmer too), BUT what really got me was - there were foil sails too !!

Since most of the companies have been mentioned, but not his one yet ... Here is the SailWorks Flyer with both the BIG boys on foils !!


What i find interesting are the sail features ... Depth in the sail, soft tension, cambers for profile, less sail twist and a forward draft. Hey, that almost sounds like a smaller version of a longboard sail !! They will only be making them as large as 7.0 m² because foiling just seems to need less of a sail. However, when racing , AA has been known to use 8.x sails. That Flyer in an 8.x size would probably be just great on my longboards !!! It is difficult to find readily available longboard sails in North America .... (don't quote me on that - cuz I am sure someone will bite my head off).

The magazine had plenty of other great articles. The one that caught me was Levi Siver sailboarding down a snowy mountain with a custom "snowboard"/windsurf board ...

So, if you are not subscribed to WindSurfing Now, you better get to it !!

BIC Windsurf Boards

Don't know why it took so long for me to realize just how much of an impact BIC had on the windsurf world. Especially since my first board was a BIC Dufour Wing (red trim) with the original giant triangular sail and super long boom. Buddy had a BIC Techno 160 and I had a BIC Techno Formula. Even Franco had a BIC 293 ... BIC, BIC, BIC everywhere ...

So, I did a quick search in the brain and then on the internet and came up with quite a list:

BIC Dufour Wing (early 80's) - they sold tens of thousands in Europe
    it was the BIG BOOM of windsurfing
    wrote about it » my-bic-dufour-wing-and-how-i-started.html
    later a cheaper version called the 250 came out ...
    They were longboards where the dagger or centreboard did NOT fully retract.
    This is me in REALLY light wind learning...


Some people suggest this was a DIV I or division one board.
Here you can see the rounded hull, the protruding dagger-board and tiny fin:


they were a major part in the beginning of windsurfing

and i enjoyed it even with the newer sails 😊
was 378x68 cm - ~200 liters and a heavy 21 kilos




BIC SL200 (1984)  - is supposed to be the demise of the one class race boards.
    Now equipment became more important than skills...
    The board still has the two "holes" in the deck where the same proprietary
    mast base can go.
    Just got one in 2017 and am writing about it » bic-sl200-aka-bic-slalom-200.html



Now the dagger-board is fully retractable and the board has foot straps ...
Also, the bottom is flat and actually has the option for tr-fins:


The original centre fin is still tiny, but at least it seems to be US fin box !!
the beginning of slalom ??  310 x 66 cm - 200 liters and a heavy 17 kilos = 42.5 pounds !!

I imagine that board had an influence on the BIC 210SL which seems to have had something to do with Ken Winner ... It had a dagger, foot straps, flatter bottom AND a mast track ...
and Ken Winner was definitely into racing ... Was made around the same time 1984-1986
350x65 cm with 180 liters, but also still heavy at 18 kilos !!!
was probably also 210 liters and NOT 180 as found on a forum


Also, in 2017 someone near Montreal was selling something they called a BIC Dufour Course !!



BIC Rock n Roll (1986-1990) Seems to be the first of many BIC boards coming out in late 80's.


No longer are there "holes" in the deck and instead there is a sliding mast track.
Adjustable on the fly ??
Also, the bottom now has a VEE shape:


Board was getting shorter and less volume too. Previous ones were 200+ liters.
This one was about 135 liters and 305x62 cm weighing only 13 kilos ...
Previous boards were 17+ kilos !!

BIC Hard Rock (1987-1993) Now going down in liters - 110 ??
   Notice the pinched tail like the Mistral Equipe One.
   Ironically this one is 283 cm which is a length BIC used later in a longboard.
   Still have strange plastic straps for the feet/foot-straps...
   Less volume and less weight - down around 11 kilos ??
   Beat some speed records ??



BIC Allegro Speed Board (1987-1988 ?)  270 x 45 cm or 9'x18" as per Jimmy
    apparently shaped by the infamous Jimmy Lewis - windsurf board shaper



BIC Electric Rock (1988-1995) Now these boards look something from a magical
    mystery tour !! No wonder they were called electric !!



seem to have a decent VEE shape and nice fin too


Now approaching 100 litres !! and ONLY 8 kilos !! WOW & 265x58cm

BIC Bamba (1989-1993?) definitely a longboard
    240 liters and 370 x 65 cm



BIC Samba 320 (early 90's) Had a board once that I thought was a SAMBA, but it did
     not have the mast track. These all seem very colourful with track and dagger board.
     Seems some people used them as "learner boards"
     320x64 cm 170 liters



BIC Astro Rock (1990-1996) apparently this one was LEGENDARY !!
    sold more than any other board at the time ??
    still has the track up front and does NOT work with modern sails
    back to 125 liters, 285x61 cm and 11 kilos.


BIC Veloces (1996-2000) is this the beginning of the freeride and fun boards ?
    some were 328x68 cm with 185 litres and others 310x64 cm with 151 litres
    seems they were known as Veloce 328 and Veloce 310
    and now back to the longboards - these ones DID have the dagger aka centre-board


Seems there were different versions where the later ones have mast track adjustable on the fly.
And perhaps even a version with NO centre-board ??
Apparently these boards were and are MUCH better for learning on ....
Remember the short board craze in the 80's almost killed the sport ...

BIC Vivaces 270, 282 and 290 (1994-1997) - 263 & 275 later ... 299 carbon version (277?)
    supposed to be very FAST - freerace ?? some marked "racetech"
    sounds like slalom boards to me
    may have had trimm fins


Vivace 290 - 120 litres 290x58 cm
Vivace 282 - 112 litres 282x55 cm
Vivace 270 -   96 litres 270x56 cm
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Vivace 275 -   96 litres 275x54 cm
Vivace 263 -   81 litres 263x?? cm
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Vivace 299 - 141 litres 299x56 cm

BIC Saxos (1995-1997) - some called them banana boards and I can see why
    they were all quite low in litres and can only imagine them in wave settings



Saxo 253 - 75 litres
Saxo 265 - 85 litres
Saxo 270 - 94 litres

BIC Melody (1998-2000) longboard - great starter board
     350x68cm and 220 liters


BIC Techno 283 (2000-2006?) Originally designed for freeride racing. One Design Junior.
    It is 152 liters and 283x69 cm with a dagger/centre-board and 9 kilos.
    Seems there were two versions and the carbon version is closer to 8 kilos.
    Thus it can be used as a starter board too - taking you to planing, straps, etc


BIC Techno E/Evolution - 112/M & 135/L (2001-2006 ??)
    trimm box and no dagger-board
112M - 263x63cm 8 kilos
135L - 263x69cm 10 kilos ??

BIC Techno Formula (2001/2009??) - wide @ 94 cm and using trimm fin at first
    and tuttle later
    Kevin Pritchard seemed to have something to do with this board !!
    wrote about it  » bic-techno-formula.html
    the board can take long fins and large sails - the beginning of Formula
    it is perhaps the foundation for the Novas as well



I managed to have some fun on mine - especially in light winds with a 10 m² sail


BIC Techno 293 OD (2005 ? -2017) World's Largest Windsurfing Class !!
   with more volume at 205 litres, 293 cm length and 79 cm width = stability
   add to that a 60 cm daggerboard and no issues going upwind and back to start
   can take a newbie from learning to racing - sounds like a Kona One that came later ?


BIC Techno 2's  - 118, 133, 148, 160 & 160D - (2006-2017)
    "early planing , fast and good upwind"
    sounds like freeride of today  - "versatile and durable" = even better
    buddy paid less for a BIC Techno 160 and sold for more than me and my AHD FF 160
    the 160 I saw had a layer on the board with a strange edging - also felt odd floaty
    these ones definitely had the power box fins
BIC Techno 118L - 249x67cm - 8 kilos
BIC Techno 133L - 250x70cm - 9 kilos
BIC Techno 148L - 264x75cm - 10 kilos
BIC Techno 160L - 255x82cm - 12.5 kilos
BIC Techno 160D - same as 160, but with the dagger = NICE !! (and 11 kilos ??)
also saw something about a 185 and 205 ??
BIC Techno 185D - 293x79cm with Dagger = 12.5 kilos sounds like the Techno 293D!!
BIC Techno 205D - this one for sure is just another name for the 293 ...
BIC Techno 240D - 297x92cm with Dagger = 15.5 kilos = BIG

BIC Cores - (2010-2015??) are these just "cheaper" versions of the Techno ??
    Local shop has a brand new Core 112 for $600 !!
    112/133/148/160D/293D ...


BIC Nova 165/180/240D (2006-2017??) - soft EVA deck
    - often with Dagger & deep tuttle
    - excellent beginner boards - choose based on weight
    165L - 255x82cm
    170D/180L - 239x90cm
    240L - 297x92cm




BIC Hybrid 240 OD (2009??-2013??) - sounds like a bigger 293, non ?
    actually seems to be the OD progression board FROM the 293
    as sailors get older and heavier
    at that size and volume, it should be good for all sailors in many conditions
    308cmx82 with dagger board


BIC Beach 175D/225D (2010-2017) - wide, long boards with lotsa volume and NOT expensive
    great for schools and learning ...
    especially with daggers, handles, etc


175L - 285x78 cm they say it is for light weight - should work for all
225L - 297x92cm say it is for heavweights - should work for many more

BIC Jungle WindSUP (2010-2014 ??) - apparently has a saber dagger ...
    10'10" for some reason, the SUPs are measured the old way
    for me that's about 325 cm and a good longboard length
    it's about 175 liters and only 72 cm wide - narrow as a SUP ??

  

BIC WindSUP Ace-Tec - (2015-2017) back to imperial 10'6" and 11'6" models
    10'6" is 315 cm and width is 31.5" or ~78 cm with 185 liters and 29 pounds/13 kilos
    11'6" is 330 cm and width is 32.5" or ~81 cm with 215 liters and 33 pounds/15 kilos
    which for me means long AND wide ...
    Franco Ittiandro in MTL has one and seems to love it - had issue with skin peeling in heat
BIC Inflatable WindSUP Air - (2015-2017) 10'6" model, but 33" wide
    300 liters and 23.5 pounds



BIC Hydrofoil (2016-2017) - along with Kerfoils developed for the Techno 133 & 148
    on a 70 cm mast, which sounds long, but there are longer ones



definitely used some info from here: https://cakedmagazine.wordpress.com/category/classic-windsurf-kit/

pretty clear they had many boards and were an influence on the windsurf sport
great for beginners and youth races !!

to see what BIC has now : https://www.bicsport.com/

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you see - missed at least one already !! feels like a NEVER ending post !!!

BIC Calypso
     320x65 cm and 175 liters



and of course another one:
BIC Tribal


BIC Adiago



BIC Lambada